Was Wayne Williams a 007 agent?
Staff Writer
2010-06-12
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If you remember the Wayan Williams story, you remember Atlanta, child murders and 2 adult murders that convicted Williams and all hell of alot conspiracy theories. What you don't remember is a young black male being to be a killer for a government. Recently , Williams did an interview and things went a little funny. The topic of being trained in the woods and being allowed to kill people came up in the interview. The trans script is below
O'BRIEN: Did you ever meet Patrick Baltazar?
WILLIAMS: No, I did not.
O'BRIEN: Never been in contact with that kid?
WILLIAMS: I don't even know a Patrick Baltazar.
O'BRIEN (voice-over): We offered to show the DNA findings to the stepmother, Sheila Baltazar.
SHEILA BALTAZAR, MOTHER OF MURDERED CHILD: I can't read it. Please don't make me read it. Oh, my god!
O'BRIEN: So we told her what the FBI report said; Wayne Williams cannot be excluded as the source of those two hairs. She listened. Then this.
BALTAZAR: Without a shadow of a doubt, I really in my heart believe that Wayne Williams killed Patrick Baltazar.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Next, trained to kill.
O'BRIEN (on camera): Were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? Could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold.
WILLIAMS: I'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
O'BRIEN (voice-over): When we returned to prison for our final interview with Wayne Williams, we had one question he was not expecting, what Wayne had written about being recruited for espionage training as a teenager. At a secret government camp hidden in the woods near this north Georgia lake, where he was given what could amount to a license to kill.
(on camera): It's called finding myself. What is finding myself? It reads like an autobiography.
WILLIAMS: Go ahead. I'm listening.
O'BRIEN: It's an account of your CIA training.
WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into that.
O'BRIEN: Why not?
WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into that.
O'BRIEN: I have a copy of it.
WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into it.
O'BRIEN: Why not?
WILLIAMS: We're simply not going to get into it. O'BRIEN (voice-over): By his account, Wayne was fresh out of high school, just 18 years old, when he was approached by an associate of an old World War II spy living in the Atlanta area, and was initiated into a secret world.
(on camera): You're not going to answer a single question on this.
WILLIAMS: No, ma'am.
O'BRIEN: Is it fake? Is it fictional writing?
WILLIAMS: No.
O'BRIEN: Did you work for the CIA?
WILLIAMS: We're not going to get into it.
O'BRIEN (voice-over): In these pages, he said he spent his summer weekends in those woods, learning how to handle plastic explosives, hand grenades, and something even more chilling.
(on camera): So I'll do the talking part and you can answer what part of it you want. You write how you fired rifles, sub-machine guns, handled assault weapons, grenade launchers, C-4, learned unarmed combat techniques, through this training group over weekends. Is it true or is it false?
WILLIAMS: I'm not going to comment on it.
O'BRIEN: When you were 19 years old? You're saying you worked for the CIA. You've been recruited.
WILLIAMS: I'll let the document speak for itself. I'm not going to comment on that.
O'BRIEN: Did you work for the CIA?
WILLIAMS: I cannot comment on that.
O'BRIEN: Copyright 1992 by Wayne Williams. Is this an autobiography?
WILLIAMS: I cannot comment on that.
O'BRIEN (voice-over): In his own words, Wayne Williams said this was part of a secret plan to send young black agents into the worst trouble spots in Africa in the late 1970s. He wrote that he finished training, then withdraw from the program.
(on camera): Either this is a true story and you have been trained in evasive tactics, exfiltration techniques, weapons use, unarmed combat techniques, which would include a deadly choke hold, or it is made up.
WILLIAMS: Let me ask one question. Where did you obtain that?
O'BRIEN: I can't tell you that.
WILLIAMS: Now, there we're talking.
O'BRIEN: You're a newsman. You knew the answer to that question before you asked it.
WILLIAMS: OK. I was --
O'BRIEN: Is it true? It's got your name on it.
WILIAMS: I will say this.
O'BRIEN: Were you trained in unarmed combat techniques? Could you grab somebody bigger than yourself, put them in a choke hold? Because that's what that is.
WILLIAMS: I'm sure there are other things in unarmed combat besides putting somebody in a choke hold.
O'BRIEN: When I talked to the military experts and I say to them what exactly does that mean, that's one of the things on their list. Top two things, by the way.
WILLIAMS: I wouldn't doubt that.
O'BRIEN: So are you trained --
WILLIAMS: Let me say this.
O'BRIEN: I'm asking such straightforward questions.
WILLIAMS: I understand that. I understand that. But again, I ask you to understand my position on this. Let's say that that were true, that were the case -- or let's just say that I had some experiences that I do not want to comment on today for reasons that the document says, OK? The fact is, what does that have to do with the situation today?
O'BRIEN: Everything.
WILLIAMS: You tell me.
O'BRIEN: It has everything to do with it. A big part of the conversation when I talked to your lawyers was, could Wayne Williams grab somebody? Did he have the strength? He's not a big guy. Could he --
WILLIAMS: I see what you're saying.
O'BRIEN: Could he grab someone in an unarmed technique and kill someone. Your attorneys would say, he's not a big guy. So you're telling me, yes, in fact I was trained by the CIA, which is basically what this document says, in a nut shell, on weekends when I was a teenager, and I am trained in the choke hold technique. That's one thing.
If you're telling me that, no, that never happened, but you're writing a long fantasy about being trained with the CIA in weaponry, and the choke hold technique, that takes it a whole other direction.
(voice-over): Remember, doctors said at least two of the victims, and perhaps more, were probably killed by choke holds.
(on camera): Do you know how to kill someone with a choke hold?
WILLIAMS: I'm sure --
O'BRIEN: That's a straightforward question. I can answer that. My answer would be, no, sir, I do not know. What's your answer to that?
WILLIAMS: Let me say something to that.
O'BRIEN: That's a yes or no answer.
WILLIAMS: No, it's not.
O'BRIEN: Yes, it is, actually.
(voice-over): Not until the very end of our prison interview did we come close to a real answer.
(on camera): It is a very simple question. Can you kill someone with a choke hold?
WILLIAMS: You probably could. You probably could under the right circumstances.
O'BRIEN: I know for a fact I could not. I know you're being facetious. I know for a fact I could not. Were you trained as a teenager to do that? That's what you're writing in this. And I get CIA, you don't want to talk about it. It's all off the record.
WILLIAMS: Let me state this for the record. OK, I think in the paper that you have -- and I will say this, that it says that was contact with a certain program. And I will say it was the joint officer -- excuse me, the junior officer training program, which was run by a certain agency, and you're correct, CIA. But I never said that I worked for them.
O'BRIEN: Now who is splitting hairs? Were you trained --
WILLIAMS: I had some contact with some person and that's all I'm going to say.
O'BRIEN: Were you trained in these techniques?
WILLIAMS: That's all I'm going to say.
O'BRIEN (voice-over): He did acknowledge it was CIA training, but said no more.
So is this true? Or only a fantasy in his mind? The mind of a man the courts have found to be a killer.
We'll leave that question with you. (on camera): The verdict is now yours to decide. At the top of the hour, to go cnn.com. Three choices, guilty, innocent, or not proven either way. As we leave you, here are some of the answers from those who lived through the terror 30 years ago.
(voice-over): The prosecutor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously, guilty.
O'BRIEN: The defense attorney.
WELCOME: Not proven, one way or the other.
O'BRIEN: The FBI agent in charge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Guilty of two double homicides.
O'BRIEN: Sheila Baltazar.
BALTAZAR: He could have killed all of them.
O'BRIEN: The Supreme Court justice.
UNIDENTITIFIED MALE: Not proven.
O'BRIEN: The witness.
HENRY: Guilty.
O'BRIEN: Camille Bell.